[MELISSA]: The Bomb Mom podcast is part of the Practice of the Practice Podcast Network, a family of podcasts, that are making the world better. You’ll also probably like the Imperfect Thriving podcast, Beta Male Revolution, and Empowered and Unapologetic podcast. Check them out at www.practiceofthepractice.com/network. Hey, what’s up everyone? If you’re looking to be inspired, motivated, educated, and entertained, you have come to the right place. Welcome to the Bomb Mom podcast, the podcast where we explore your fitness, life mindsets, and actions that help you become unstoppable. You’re worth it and it’s time to finally make changes in your life that will last you the rest of your life. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Bomb Mom podcast. I hope everyone is having an amazing day. I am, it is a busy day, but it is an amazing day. I’m grateful to be here, grateful to be alive. I’m grateful for my online program. Those women keep me on their… my toes, not on their toes. I keep them on their toes. They keep me on my toes, or something like that, but it’s been busy. And on the days where it’s this hectic and my kids had volleyball today, Taekwondo is starting up again, we have that going back and forth, recording podcasts, making workouts for my program, Busy to Bomb Fit Mom, all of it. It’s a lot but it’s definitely worth it. But on these days, you guys, it is hard to find time to stop and make a full meal and I definitely need to substitute things in between there to just make sure I’m hitting my protein for the day, that I’m staying fueled. I haven’t even done my workout yet. You guys hitting’ your workout yet? Because I have not done mine yet. I need to do that today. It’s arms day, bicep and tricep. But it’s a lot. It is a fun filled day and I have to share with you one of the ways that I stay fueled and on the go, and it’s through my favorite protein bar, they are called G2G bars. These bars are absolutely amazing, you guys, you have to check them out, visit their website. And when you order, you get to use my code as well and you get to save 20% off. But they’re a great grab and go snack and protein that gives you the right amount of fuel. My kids even love them, and they taste like a treat. It’s something that I enjoy having and yeah, it’s fuel and it keeps me going but I also like to pack it in my cooler, my bag, when I know I’m going somewhere where there’s gonna be a ton of food that I probably shouldn’t have; I pull up my G2G bar cuz then I’m like, no FOMO, I’m not missing out on a thing because I got my good snack right here and it’s so yummy, like, the peanut butter chocolate chip. I don’t even like coconut, you guys, and the coconut flavor is amazing. I’m not even a fan of coconut. So, check them out. G2G bars – go to www.g2gbars.com, check them out and you can’t go wrong. Get the variety pack, get the chocolate peanut butter pack, get any of them because you can’t go wrong, but when you order and you’re checking out, put in the code, Melissa; that will save you 20% off. Yeah, I know that’s huge. That’s my discount. So, don’t tell anyone about it because I’m just giving it to you guys. But they do, they fuel me up. They have great protein and I love that you can flip it over, look at the ingredients and you can read it all. Everything on there you can pronounce, you know exactly what it is. There’s no guesswork. And they’re so pure and fresh, like you have to keep them in the fridge. Yeah, they last on the shelves for a few days, that’s totally fine, you don’t have to refrigerate them, but they don’t have the preservatives and chemicals and artificial crap in them that make a protein bar be able to last for a few years. That’s disgusting. So, I do keep mine in the fridge and they stay fresh; they stay good. And I like my protein bar to have shelf life. I want it to die before I do. That’s disgusting when they last a long time. So, check em out you guys. I’m always trying to give you little tips and pointers of how I stay fueled and on the go and moving with this busy life that I live. So, check out G2G bars, it’s a good one, you guys. I think you’ll really like it. And use my code – save some money. So, today’s guest is Dr. Jamie Seeman, and yes, I’m saying her name right. And it’s hilarious. It’s the first thing we talk about when we get going because she’s an Ob-Gyn. I shit you not. She’s like, it’s perfect for… Oh, you’ll see. You’ll hear what she says, it’s awesome. But Dr. Jamie Seeman is a Board-Certified obstetrician and gynecologist practicing in Omaha, Nebraska. She was born and raised in the state and she played collegiate softball for the Cornhuskers. Yes. She has a Bachelor of Science degree in nutrition, exercise, and Health Sciences. And then she went on to graduate medical school, completed her Ob-Gyn residency at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. And she’s currently, right now, is a private practice at Mid-City Ob-Gyn and she offers a full range of services, you know, gynecology, robotic surgery, primary care, everything. She delivers babies, she brings new life into this world. She is a fellow at the University of Arizona School of Medicine. Oh my god, I can’t even talk here. She’s also a Board-Certified ketogenic nutrition specialist. Check her stuff out. But she has a huge passion for fitness, preventative medicine, and ketogenic therapy, not only in her medical practice, but in her own life. She’s married to her husband Ben, a police sergeant, and has three young daughters. And, you guys, she is currently on the show on NBC, Titan games with The Rock. Oh yes. I cannot wait for you guys to hear how awesome this Bomb Mom is, how she gets it all in. We talk about kids. We talk about life. We talk about her experience being on the show and being selected and really putting, you know, the pressure on and still performing, like, she’s just phenomenal. She’s like the ultimate Bomb Mom. So, kick back, relax, enjoy the show. And you guys, at the end, don’t forget to rate and review. It’s really, really important to me and I really appreciate it. So, enjoy the show, you guys. Welcome to the show, Dr. Jaime Seeman. I’m so glad that you’re here. Now, did I get your name right? Because I’m known for slaughtering names. [JAIME]: No, you got it. Seeman, like, you know, pregnancy. [MELISSA]: I was thinking navy, and a ship, but I’ll take that too. [JAIME]: It’s a great name for a vagina doctor, that’s for sure. [MELISSA]: Right? I love it. I love it. So, I know, after hearing your bio and everything and me introducing you, everyone is probably wondering like, oh my god, how does this woman do it all? Because, I mean, Ob-Gyn, you’re married to a police sergeant, you have three daughters, you are on the Titan Games, you like, look amazing. Can you just answer that one question first, like, how in God’s name do you fit it all in? [JAIME]: Well, I guess all I can really say is you can basically have anything you want in life if you’re willing to work for it. And it’s really just about prioritizing the things that are most important to you. And I wasn’t always like this, I promise you. I’ve been busy my whole life, but I really kind of, what I would like to say, like, got my shit together five years ago. I am born and raised in Nebraska. I grew up in a household where my mom was kind of breadwinner, like a real hard worker. So, she’s been my role model my whole life, but she didn’t really take care of herself. My dad was the athlete and I grew up with really crappy nutrition. And I ended up going to college to play softball, and there I got my degree in nutrition and exercise science, and that was where I kind of had this strong interest in it, just being an athlete and how do I eat, how do I fuel my body? But I really was a pre-med track. So my plan was to go to medical school and once again, my mom was super influential in that because she was a nurse and she said, you know, if I had to do it all over again, I would have just went to med school. So here I was, I got my degree and met my husband in college; I left the University of Nebraska, kind of took off my athlete hat, put on my white coat. And here I was all of a sudden with this huge change of pace in my life. I’m sedentary, I’m in the library, I’m studying. And all of a sudden, my health started to really catch up with me because I wasn’t active like I was, you know, before. And here I was like counting calories and trying to do all these crazy diets and things and then we decided to get pregnant for the first time with my first daughter. And I was like, exactly what I would tell a patient not to do. I was working out, but I was eating horrible and I failed my glucose testing in my pregnancy. [MELISSA]: Oh, no. [JAIME]: After my daughter was born, I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism and had to go on thyroid medication. And then I started medical residency, which for anybody that doesn’t know, it’s like worse than anything you’ve seen on Grey’s Anatomy. I mean, it’s like, you’re working so many hours, all hours of the night. Here I was with a small baby, my husband’s a police officer working at night. So, I mean, this was like survival mode for us. And I was eating what I could find in the hospital cafeteria and getting in SONIC milkshakes at night. [MELISSA]: Oh, my god. [JAIME]: And so fast forward, I had three babies in 58 months, so my girls are all 23 months apart. And in the middle of my third pregnancy, which was five years ago, I had… really a horrible tragedy happened in my life. I lost one of my best friends in the middle of my pregnancy. She was also pregnant. And it was kind of just one of those big slap in the face moments where I was like, what am I doing? Like, I have a nutrition degree. I have a medical degree. I mean, I was really blessed in life. You know, I’m married, I have three healthy kids, but I didn’t feel good. I didn’t like the way my body looked, and I’m supposed to be this, like, steward of health. And here I am with preventable medical conditions. And so, I just decided, you know, five years ago that I was going to live my life differently. And I started eating better. I started working out again. After my third baby was born, I reversed… I had prediabetes at the time. Reversed that through low carb nutrition and exercising again. And then I started this business, Doctor Fit and Fabulous, not even really knowing what the heck I was doing with it. It was just kind of this fun little thing. And now it’s exploded into this big coaching and consulting business. And I speak internationally and I’m working on lots of different projects, and it kind of catapulted a lot of different opportunities, including Titan Games, and we can sure talk about that but yeah, basically, you know, what started as taking care of my own health manifested into a better marriage, being a better mom, being a better doctor to my patients, because I figured I gotta walk the walk and talk the talk like, how do I expect my patients to be doing everything I’m telling them to do if I can’t do it myself? I call it the blame, shame, and justify game. As moms, we’re like, oh, I’m a mom, I’ve got three kids. I’m telling you this because these are the BS excuses that I told myself for years. You know, you’re a doctor, you’re a mom, your husband works nights, like, I had all the excuses that everybody has. I say, why are you trying to fill everybody else’s cup if your pitcher’s empty? As a mom, like, why do we try to put everybody else before us? Like, you can’t be a good mom if you don’t take care of yourself. So, I basically said, listen, I come first. And that’s why my workouts get done every morning at 5am. Listen, they get done at 5am because that’s the least likely time in the day that I’m going to have a kid with an appointment or a practice or a problem. My work typically, I mean, God forbid some women try to go into labor and ruin my 5am workout sometimes. But I get up in the morning, I get the most important thing done which is my workout, I control what I can control which is my nutrition and my stress and getting as much sleep and things that I can, and here I am. I don’t know – people ask me how I get it done and honestly, some days I’m not really sure; you just keep going. And I do have… I don’t have like a team. A lot of people are like, oh, I was hoping that you had like a nanny, and an assistant, and this and that, and I don’t; it’s me and my husband. We have some childcare but it’s not… it’s really actually not that much. She only comes one day a week for a couple hours. [MELISSA]: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that’s not much at all. But I love hearing your story. I’m so glad you went back, all the way back to like, your college days, and going into that field that you went into, and then getting married, and having a baby and like, things weren’t so hot then with your health and nutrition, because it just makes you a real person. Like, no one can look at you and be like, you just don’t get it doctor, like you don’t understand. You’re like, oh, no bitch, I get it. [JAIME]: I’ve been there. [MELISSA]: I lived it. I’ve been there. But, as you’re talking, I’m like, oh my God, we have a lot of similarities. I’m no doctor, but like, after my third baby, I have three girls as well, and they’re all just under three years apart, I put on over 60 pounds. And I’m like, I’m supposed to be this, like, nutritional coach and personal trainer and like, I know all the things to do and yet I’m like, I don’t even recognize who I am in the mirror anymore. [JAIME]: Yes. [MELISSA]: Oh, who am I? Shame on me, I know what to do. So very similar background that even though you’re way more fit and fabulous, I must say. But it does, it makes you real and it takes away a lot of our listeners’ excuses. And it just helps them know that if you can do it, and you’re juggling all of these things at once, they can do it too. In your practice, what’s trending right now? I don’t know if trending is the right word, but I’m going to use it anyways. What’s trending right now? What’s like the number one thing that you’re seeing women struggle with as far as like their health and, you know, just overall wellbeing, coming in out of your office? Is there something that you’re seeing more of now that you haven’t in the past? [JAIME]: Well, oh my gosh, well, we’re recording this like, in the most epic year in this century, 2020. So, oh, my gosh, with this COVID that’s going on, just like horrible amounts of anxiety and depression. And it’s just getting worse because people aren’t taking care of themselves during quarantine and routines have shifted. And once again, I get back to it: control the controllables. So, like, even though there’s all these external forces happening in the world, control the things you can control; you don’t need a gym to work out. You can work out in your living room; you can still eat healthy; this is not an excuse to sit on the couch and eat Oreos. So, this year has been just a real unique situation in healthcare, but I think in women’s health in general. I’m a board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist so I get like this really special patient population of people with like PCOS and insulin resistance and infertility, God, we’re seeing infertility on the rise and it’s not just women; I’m seeing like worsening semen analysis day by day. And I just think it’s just the horrible modern American diet and it’s just so laden with like vegetable oils and refined flours and sugars and you know, you see people in the social media world fighting, like whole food diet’s better, no, paleo is better, no, keto, no, carnivore, and it just confuses the crap out of people. But honestly, when it comes down to it, I think we all agree that a diet that is devoid of vegetable oils, refined flours and sugar – if you just avoid those things in your diet, you’re probably going to be okay. But women, they have to clean up their diet because what I find is women don’t realize the things that they complain about, like, I’m fatigued, my periods are off, I’ve got acne, like this, that and the other – so much of it can be improved. We see 80% improvement with lifestyle interventions. There’s no medicine that I have in my medicine cabinet that can do that. So that’s kind of the crusade that I’m on in women’s health is just really empowering women to fix the 80% and let me deal with the 20%. That’s what I went into medicine to do. I really have an amazing job, I really do, because I love working with women and I love seeing them fix these problems that they didn’t think were fixable. [MELISSA]: Right. Right. And knowing that like 80% is under control, like you have the power to do it. They have the power to do it, I should say. But yeah, that’s… But I gotta imagine a lot of women come to your office and they’re just like, write me a script, or they’re like, I’ve tried it. Like, you don’t understand, Doctor, it doesn’t work. I’ve tried to eat healthy before. I ate salad for two days and I’m still overweight. Like, you’ve gotta get those clients, or patients too, right? [JAIME]: Yeah, no, I could write the book of excuses. That’s for sure. [MELISSA]: Yeah, absolutely. So, let’s talk post baby, really quick. Postpartum depression gets brought up a lot. Do you see that a lot with your patients? [JAIME]: Oh my gosh, it’s so real. It’s so real. So, if you open up the Ob-Gyn textbook, you know, you read about something called postpartum blues, which honestly I think it’s like 100%. Think about this: in America, we kind of paint this fairy tale picture of pregnancy and you get your baby shower and people are so excited. Everyone’s talking about the baby, and nobody talks about what it’s really like to bring that baby home and how your body is gonna feel and how you’re bleeding from your vagina and your bottom hurts from the delivery, you’re leaking breast milk and you’re hyper emotional because your hormones are just, I mean, you’re going from like, thousands of estrogen and progesterone and all this and it’s coming crashing down. [MELISSA]: I think I started just lactating right now. [JAIME]: Everybody wants to come over to your house and they just want to hold this like cute, adorable little baby and you’re like, dude, there’s dishes in the sink, my laundry hasn’t been done, I’m so hungry, I don’t know if I brushed my teeth. We don’t support postpartum women how we should support them. I’m just telling you, if you’re listening right now, and your girlfriend just had a baby, like, please go over to her house and let her breastfeed her baby and go clean her kitchen and cook her like a nutritious meal. I mean, that’s how we can better support women that are postpartum. Yeah, no, postpartum depression… actually, people say the word depression a lot but honestly, postpartum anxiety; I see a lot of women that are like, I don’t know why but like, I’m having these crazy thoughts and like my heart’s racing, and I don’t even know what I’m anxious about. And it’s those first couple months are really hard. And so I really try to kind of set that up for women when they come to, you know, 37 weeks or full term now, I really try to talk about postpartum with these women and, you know, what can we put in place that’s going to make this easier for you? Because it’s real. Those first two months are just hard. [MELISSA]: Yeah, I would have died if my doctor would have like, told me about that or like, explained it to me, I don’t know what I would have done. I would’ve been like, wait, what? So, the fact that you’re talking with them about it, and it’s real and legit, like holy crap, that’s huge. [JAIME]: And I think it’s good sometimes, you know, to have the partner hear it too. Sometimes men don’t really understand how to support their partner in that situation or like, they’ll call… I mean, they will call me like, I’m really worried about my wife. Like, I don’t know what’s wrong, like, everything I say makes her cry. And I mean, they desperately want to help their partner, but they can’t breastfeed the baby and they don’t know what to do. And so, I think having just real honest conversations, and I wish women talked about it more. I think they feel like a bad mom if they bring these things up, and women, you know, the good thing is they’re really honest with me, you know, in clinic, they’re like, I mean, I don’t want to say I don’t love my baby, but this isn’t what I thought it was going to look like. [MELISSA]: Yeah. And then they’re like, oh, it must be the baby’s fault. I should be all happy and sunshine and rainbows and sparkles right now, and I’m not, so… [JAIME]: Or they think something’s wrong with them. You know, they think like, this isn’t how all women feel. Jenny down the street seems so happy when her baby was born. And it’s because we like to hide these things as women because we think it makes us less of a mom, or less of a human. [MELISSA]: Yeah. I saw on Instagram the other day, she just had her baby like, going into having the baby, she was like, just full on, you know, and I was like this hot, sweaty mess with a bun, like, I’m here to have this baby, get it out – she was like two weeks late. And then afterwards, it was like the most beautiful hospital pictures, you know, with like her hair flowing and holding… And I’m like, that was not my experience at all. I had like the fucking fake underwear up to my boobs with like, probably four pads on. It’s like, oh, you’re bleeding a lot more than anyone else, like, that figures. But I caught myself, I mean, I’m not even pregnant or in that experience, but I caught myself comparing. And I’m like, oh, she probably went home and had this beautiful experience and has this amazing… you know, I started writing stories and stuff. So, I like that you’re talking about it and knowing that it’s normal. It’s okay and even if you see something different on social media, not reality. Not reality. [JAIME]: Yes, yeah. Social media does a lot of bad things to women because we really play this comparison game a lot. You have to think about things like Instagram. I mean, like, this is a marketing billboard. I mean, this is like a well-designed platform to give you a dopamine response so that you keep, like scrolling and like, oh, yeah, I like that. Oh, yeah, I like that. This is a visual thing and people have to remember that it’s, a lot of times, not what it appears to be. It’s like the rear-view mirror. [MELISSA]: Not at all. Absolutely. I’m so glad you’re bringing that up. Do you let your kids go on social media? I’m curious. How old are they? [JAIME]: So, they’re just turning five, seven and nine. And the nine-year-old is kind of like, she gets what Instagram and Facebook and things are and she sees me do stories and she would like love to jump on there. But I shelter them a little bit. I mean, I just don’t think… like, they’re not on devices themselves. And I don’t really put them all that much on my on my social media, but it’s just because it’s my thing, not theirs. Yeah, yeah. [MELISSA]: Yeah, no. I get it. [JAIME]: I always say like, thank God I didn’t grow up in a world of what the kids have to face now. I mean, my teenage patients that come in and, oh man, I don’t know; it’s just a whole different ballgame than when we were youth. And I don’t have all the right answers but, I mean, I’ll be honest and transparent on social media as I parent these girls because it’s a crazy world. And I get messages daily from moms that are like, oh my gosh, like how do I talk to… I just got one the other day; I walked in the hospital from this mom and I wish I could read it to you but it’s buried in my messages, but she wanted to know how to talk… what book would you recommend to talk to my daughter about sex? And she was telling me what her daughter’s told her about boys these days because they have such easy access to like pornography and like, this is how they’re learning about sexual encounters. And I was like reading this message as a mom of three girls, like, horrified. I mean, I hear crazy stuff in the Ob-Gyn clinic, but it was like this kind of slap in the face for me as a mom of three girls. I’m like, oh my god, maybe I should write a book or something, because this is terrifying. [MELISSA]: Yeah, it is. I have a 14-year-old; my oldest is 14. I had her really young. And the things that girls her age, and they’re like on Snapchat. I’m very… I’m like, my kids don’t have anything. And they see me doing it and stuff and I put them on there sometimes, but that’s about it. But you’re right, what these other girls her age are doing and what they’re exposed to, and she… my daughter even pulled up like, on Tiktok and she’d be like, look at this girl, and she’s like 14 in a bikini and she looks like older than me. And I’m like, my body didn’t even look like that at 14. And she’s had, like, five boyfriends and all of this and you’re right, they’re just taking in everything about sex, and their sexuality, from all of these external factors on Facebook and Instagram and Tiktok and Snapchat, and I’m just like, dear God. And I know so many of our listeners right now are going, yep, yep, yep. [JAIME]: Yeah. I mean, this mom said, my daughter said she really likes this boy because he didn’t ask for a bunch of nudes. She thinks he really likes her. I’m like, oh, God. No. [MELISSA]: That’s our standard now? That’s how we measure? Oh, yeah. Oh, my god, it just… it makes me sweat. I’m sweating talking about it because it’s just terrifying. What advice would you give to the mom right now, who has young children, your age, moving forward with talking about sex, social media? Is there anything that comes to mind that you’re like, yeah, just make sure you tell them this right now? [JAIME]: Well, I mean, my girls have the… they’re fortunate that their mom’s an OBG [unclear] and we use real words and talk about real things. My girls know where babies come from, and they know where babies come out. I think as a mom, you really want to protect and shelter your children, but the reality of the situation is they have a big, open, wide world of technology that’s going to be in front of them. I mean, your kids are going to be smarter on the computer than you are. It’s just like the name of the game. And I think that having real, open, honest conversations about their bodies, and how their bodies function, and how their bodies work. Especially when it comes to sexuality, I think so many moms are like afraid to bring up sex and sexuality, because they feel like they’re opening Pandora’s box or maybe they’re going to put ideas into their daughters, and I’m telling you, she’s already thinking about it. And if she doesn’t get it from you, she’s gonna find it somewhere else, you know, her friend on the playground or whatever, on Snapchat or whatever it is. So that’s just my style of parenting, you know, everybody’s different, but find safe spaces where she can talk about things like that. That is one of the conversations my husband and I have had is, as a young girl, I always felt like sex and sexuality was like this bad thing, right? [MELISSA]: Yeah. [JAIME]: You know, you don’t want people to view you as a slut, or whatever name you want to put on it. And then once we got married, it was interesting. We were trying to get pregnant with our first daughter and I like looked at my husband and I’m like, this is weird to me. We’re having sex, like, make a baby and it feels weird. You know what I mean? Because, for 20 plus years of my life, I just had it kind of hammered into my head that sex wasn’t a good thing for women. I don’t know. It was weird. [MELISSA]: No, I totally agree. Everything you’re saying, I’m just sitting here, like, they can’t see us but I’m just like nodding; I’m like, yes. oh, my God, I totally get it. [JAIME]: Yeah, I mean, I guess I want my daughters to know and understand that like, it’s okay to experience sexual pleasure and to desire it. But it should be on your terms and for the right reasons and in the safest way possible. And I just wish somebody told me that as a little girl. [MELISSA]: Yeah. Open communication for sure. Absolutely. Let’s go into a more fun topic. Not that that wasn’t fun to talk about teens and sex. I love it. Let’s move into Titan Games. [JAIME]: Yeah. [MELISSA]: Because you’re on the show. Okay, so tell us the story first of how you even got it. Did someone push you to apply? Were you like, submitted by someone else? What’s the backstory? [JAIME]: So, this was Season Two of Titan Games that I was on. So back up to a year ago, Titan Game Season One was showing on TV and I really wasn’t aware of it at all. But I was in the operating room doing surgery and the scrub tech was like, hey, Doctor Fit and Fabulous, you should apply to be on Titan Games. I’m like, Titan what? And she’s like, yeah, with The Rock. So, I go home and Google it, basically. And I’m like, this looks like American gladiators from when I was a young girl. And I loved that show. I thought it was so cool, I mean, I was an athlete growing up. So I looked what you had to do to audition and you had to make this video and do all these crazy physical tasks and things for this video, and I’m thinking to myself, I’m just like a regular mom, I’m a doctor, like, there’s no way I can do this. I mean, it was really kind of extreme, you know, level of fitness… [MELISSA]: Like, what did you have to do? What’s an example? [JAIME]: Well, it was like, so you had to do a plank for as long as you can, like, hold it as long as you can, in real time video. And then you had to do like five push-ups, five pull ups, four pull ups, four push-ups, three pull ups, you know, two, one, whatever, that whole thing. And then you had to, I can’t even remember, it was like max deadlift, or it was just like, all this stuff. And I’m like, okay, no, like there’s girls that are stronger and faster and whatever than me, like, I haven’t been an athlete since college. What people need to understand is you go on my Instagram right now and look at these pictures, and I’m in great shape right now – I’ve only been back in the gym for two years, like, literally I’ve only been back lifting weights for two years. Prior to that, I was maybe an average Joe at the gym, like in med school, but I haven’t been actually doing a squat since college. [MELISSA]: Okay. [JAIME]: So, I mean, that’s where I was in my head, like, there’s no way I can do this. So, then I kind of forgot about it, but I had started following them on social media. And then I saw The Rock put out a video looking for people for season two, and it was just kind of gnawing away in the back of my mind. Like, what if you applied? What if you did this? And I told you, five years ago I made this decision to really live my life differently. And I thought, God this is like such a great opportunity to show my girls how women can be bad asses. And you know what, if you don’t get on the show, no one’s gonna know if you applied or not. One night I was sitting in my living room and I pull up the application, and like an hour later I get an email… you know how Siri, like you swear to God Siri can listen to you? [MELISSA]: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it’s listening. It is. [JAIME]: Yeah, I got an email from somebody in casting with Titan Games and literally all they said is, we saw your social media and we think you should apply. It wasn’t a guarantee, it was like nothing. But I was like, okay, this is… [MELISSA]: Wait, you didn’t submit anything, and they just sent it to you? [JAIME]: Yeah, they were like, this is how to… And I told him, I’m like, this is so weird; I was literally just looking at the application. And so anyway, so I submitted my video, I ended up doing the video. I submitted the video. I had to apply just like everybody else. And I waited, like months and months and months, and then I found out that I was selected to come out to their combine, so it’s like a tryout, basically, like a physical tryout. And you have to go through like these obstacles, and you have to do a VO2 max and a max deadlift and like a max dead hang, and all this crazy stuff. So they have a bunch of people out to California in January and I mean, you get out there and you’re amongst like the top 10 crossfitters in the world and all these super jacked people and you’re like, how am I here? And they all have incredible stories and things that they’ve triumphed over in their life, and you just feel like so blessed that you were even invited to the combine. And then two days later I found out I was only one of 18 women selected for the show; it was kind of a whirlwind, and then literally a week later I left for filming. So, a lot of people would assume that I had some fair warning to train, like, go pull some heavy balls or jump from chain link fences. But you don’t, and when you show up you don’t know what they’re gonna make you do either. [MELISSA]: That was literally one of my questions, is like, oh my God, because I don’t know how many people might not know what Titan Games are in here, but it’s all like endurance, like frickin crazy, mental… And I was like, oh my God, I wonder how she prepared for this. And you’re like, I left in a week. [JAIME]: Well, yeah, I mean, I basically had like, one to two weeks’ notice and then you’re in that situation where you’re like, okay, well don’t injure yourself, you know, like, you don’t want to go to the gym and like, try something new and injure yourself. [MELISSA]: Right. Oh, yeah. Totally get it. [JAIME]: So, I just don’t… somebody asked me in another interview, like, how would you tell someone to train? Honestly, like, there are certain events that certainly would give you an advantage if you were like stronger, or faster, or whatever it is, but you just don’t know what events you’re going to get or who… some of them are more like a foot race, like accomplish a task and pull the lever first. And then some of them are like you’re tied to the other person or you’re pushing a wall against the other person. So, some of them are more of a battle and some of them are more of a race, but I just… there’s no way to prepare for it. It’s crazy stuff, like stuff you don’t normally do in the gym. [MELISSA]: Wow. Yeah, like I… if it was leg type stuff, I would just… I’d be out, I’d die. But shoulders? You want me to do something with shoulders, I could kill it. But I’m just like, so impressed that (A) you made the video, because you’re like, plank how long and I’m like, oh, my minute plank would not impress anyone. My six pull ups would definitely not get the producers attention. But you made the video, like, you went out there and tried out. You got on the show. That first day there, when they’re like, okay, we’re flying you out, first day of filming, like, did you just want to throw up the whole day, or have diarrhea, or like, what? Because I feel like that’s how I would be. [JAIME]: Yeah. I mean, I was super nervous because then, after I was selected… I mean, you guys, I have like a real job and a real family. [MELISSA]: Yeah, you’re like bringing life into the world. [JAIME]: And I can’t tell anybody that I’m filming. I signed a nondisclosure agreement. So, I’m looking at my doctors that I work with. I was like, hey guys, by the way, I’m gonna need you to cover my clinic for like three weeks and I can’t tell my patients where I’m going, so for all they know I’m going to like, Bali, to lay on the beach for three weeks and they think I’m like, you know… So anyway, so I go to filming; I had to pull my kids out of school; it took so much logistics just to get there, and then I’m thinking, oh my God, don’t lose the first round and get put back in the limo back to the airport. Don’t embarrass yourself. I mean, it was just like, you’ve made it this far. And so, by the time I got there, I was so mentally jacked up. I was like, I’ve got to win this, like, I have to win this for women. I have to win this for moms. I just felt like the pressure of representing so many people… once I got there, I mean, there was definitely nerves, like, The Rock is standing two feet away like, go get ’em, Tiger. [MELISSA]: Yeah. No big deal. [JAIME]: There is definitely nerves, but I felt like it happened for a reason. It was almost like I manifested that moment. And God, it felt good to get out there and compete again too, I won’t lie about that. [MELISSA]: Yeah, that’s the college athlete in you. [JAIME]: Yeah. Yeah, it felt good. Putting on that Titan uniform, and you’ve got the crowd cheering, and smoke, and yeah, The Rock. Who can’t be excited in that situation? [MELISSA]: Right. No, he’s my man. If they’re like, oh, who’s your one? It’s him. It’s him. [JAIME]: I’ve heard that from a lot of women. [MELISSA]: His poor wife. So, what would you say is the number one thing that you learned about yourself, going on this show? [JAIME]: Oh, that’s a hard one. Honestly, I feel like my whole life, everything I’ve done in my life is like performance under pressure. As an athlete, it’s about performing when everything’s on the line and everyone’s looking at you, and I always make so many parallels to my athletic days and being in the operating room, like, here’s a woman and she’s bleeding out, she’s dying on the operating room table. And I’ve learned that going back to that ‘control the controllables’, control your breath, control how you’re reacting right now. Just really slowing your mind down in stressful situations. And it’s been a tool that I’ve used. I have lots of stress in my life too. But I think that what has made me so successful is figuring out how to slow it down, harness that energy and not let it drive you into the ground. You’re always gonna have stressors, and next Tuesday something bad or big or whatever is gonna happen, like, the balls always going to be dropping on you. But it’s figuring out how to be resilient and how to react to those situations. And honestly, I feel like Titan Games is kind of this culmination of a lot of things. I lost my friend five years ago, and I feel I figured things out in my life. And now it was just like one more opportunity, performance under pressure, and just being able to take that stress and turn it into something good. [MELISSA]: Yeah. And it’s almost like… not that your whole life prepared you for that moment, but like, your whole life kind of prepared you for that moment, and that show, and that… because not just anyone could do that. [JAIME]: Yeah, no, it was… I was watching the episodes on Mondays and I’m like, my God, like, even just watching it back, I’m kind of mind-blown. [MELISSA]: Yeah, you’re pretty amazing to watch. You’re pretty freakin cool to watch. I love it. [JAIME]: I mean, honestly, like, it was harder than it looks on TV. They edit those races. Some of those races were like, 20 minutes long, and the world sees 3 minutes of it. So yeah, it was crazy. [MELISSA]: And people are like, why are they so tired? [JAIME]: That’s what my daughter said. I hugged The Rock and ran over to my family and she’s like, you’re really sweaty. I’m like, did you watch that? [MELISSA]: Did you see what mommy was doing? [JAIME]: I also might have peed my pants on one of those. And because there’s a lot of Bomb Moms listening, let me tell you right now, when I went to California to do a max deadlift it was also a test of my pelvic floor strength. [MELISSA]: It’s so real, like, we all get it. [JAIME]: My daughter, I told my daughter, I’m like, you gotta be quiet. You can’t tell anyone about the show. You can’t tell anybody what happens. But then when we were able to start talking about it, she marches up to the driveway, and she’s like, my mom totally peed her pants on Titan Games. I’m like, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay. No, let’s reel that story back in. [MELISSA]: Oh, my God. I love it. I love it. It’s perfect. Not like, my mom met The Rock and she kicked butt. She peed her pants. [JAIME]: Yeah, important details first. [MELISSA]: It just makes me laugh. I was in the kitchen the other day and I was getting ready to sneeze, I could tell, and I crossed my legs. My daughters are like, what are you doing? I’m like, preparing to sneeze. Y’all will know later why. [JAIME]: Oh man. [MELISSA]: Oh Jaime, I am so glad that we finally got to nail you down and come on the Bomb Mom podcast. You guys, how many times did we have to reschedule this? Three? Two? [JAIME]: Like three, and then my computer tried to sabotage us tonight. [MELISSA]: It did. I’m like, no. We will find a way. I will fly to Nebraska right now if I need to. [JAIME]: Overcoming adversity, people. [MELISSA]: That’s right. We figured it out. But I mean, you’re delivering babies and being awesome and a rock star and two of the times, I was like, not sure how I’m gonna do this interview today. And then you canceled, I’m like, yes. I’m like, I hope she doesn’t feel bad because that worked. I think one day my daughter like threw up everywhere. And I was like, if I don’t clean this right now the scent will, like, the wonderful… Yeah, it was awesome. [JAIME]: Yes. I think one of them I was mom of the year and scheduled it on my daughter’s birthday. [MELISSA]: I just laughed and was like, I’ve been there. You’re totally fine. [JAIME]: Okay, all right. [MELISSA]: You’re excused. Jamie, we’ll let you get back to your amazing life. Are you doing your 5am workout tomorrow morning? [JAIME]: Yes, I am. And then 7am surgery. So that’s how a lot of my mornings go. [MELISSA]: Oh my god, I have to know: do you have a gym at home? Do you have a gym near the hospital, at the hospital? [JAIME]: We really actually have an amazing home gym, but I can’t work out there. I am the most unmotivated workout by yourself person. I need people. I’ll show up. Yell at me, tell me what to do. I’m telling you; coaches need coaches, trainers need trainers. I could make a killer workout for anyone else but when it comes to working out by myself, I can’t do it. So, my husband is… bless his heart, he goes down there and works out by himself all the time. But I actually go to a gym where there’s other human beings. [MELISSA]: That just made me love you more because I have a great gym and everyone’s like, why do you go to the gym? And I’m like, I need it. Like, I don’t think you get it. You know, I’m that person who needs that push, and other humans, and just the environment, and my kids can interrupt me, and yeah. I totally get it. So, Jamie, where can people find you? How can we learn more about your program? What’s your website? What’s your Instagram? Give it to us all because then it can make it into the show notes and people have it for later too. [JAIME]: Perfect. So, people can find me on Facebook or Instagram – @DoctorFitAndFabulous. And then I’ve got a website doctorfitandfabulous.com, where you can find information about my coaching groups or I’ve got links to lots of podcasts I’ve been on if you’re interested in that. That’s where you can find me. And I love hearing people’s stories; I love hearing from other moms. One of the coolest things actually about Titan Games and hearing about everybody’s little girls who are like, I just watched the episode and now my daughter’s downstairs working out, or like, I mean, that is literally what is filling the cup right now. It’s so cool to hear about those little girls out there who just want to be a Titan now. [MELISSA]: That is the best. Absolutely. We’re so blessed to have you on here. You guys, check her out, find her Instagram, find her Facebook. And if you’re driving right now listening to this, don’t worry. It’s all in the show notes. You can find it all later, too. But thank you, Jamie, for being on, again. And if we could have you on again, that would be great. Like, I feel like there’s so many topics that we didn’t even get to get into. And I know I’m gonna get so many emails of like, no, could you ask her about this, or more about that? Can you guys talk more about this? So, maybe we can collect them and do a part two? [JAIME]: Yeah, love to. [MELISSA]: Yay. All right. Well, you guys if you liked this episode, make sure you rate and review it. It’s like you leaving a huge tip for me. But until next time, everyone, stay safe, stay healthy, and just be that Bomb Mom that you are. Goodbye, everyone. If you’re ready to become a bomb mom, join my free course over at www.melissavogelfitness.com/course. This podcast is designed to provide accurate and authoritative information in regard to the subject matter covered. 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