[MELISSA]: When it comes to keeping your practice organized, you want software that not only is simple but the best. I recommend TherapyNotes. Their platform lets you manage notes, claims, scheduling and more. Plus, they offer amazing, unlimited phone and email support. So, when you have questions, they are there to help. To get two free months of TherapyNotes today, just use promo code JOE, J-O-E, when you sign up for a free trial at therapynotes.com. Hey, what’s up everyone. If you’re looking to be inspired, motivated, educated and entertained, you have come to the right place. Welcome to the Bomb Mom podcast, the podcast where we explore your fitness, life mindsets, and actions that help you become unstoppable. You’re worth it and it’s time to finally make changes in your life that will last you the rest of your life. Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Bomb Mom podcast. My name is Melissa. I am your host, and we have an amazing guest today, you guys. Her name is Kate Fisch. Now, am I saying it right, Fisch? [KATE]: Yes, that’s exactly right. Just Fisch. Yep. [MELISSA]: I’m doing so good. You don’t understand. I’ve been slaughtering last names. [KATE]: Oh, goodness. [MELISSA]: Well we just roll with it. We just roll with it. I always like to take a guess and then be like, am I getting it? [KATE]: Yeah, it’s just one syllable. You got it. [MELISSA]: You can’t mess that up. Kate Fisch. Damn, I’m so good. I got it on the first try. So, you guys, Kate is a licensed psychotherapist. Like, what a title, right? Okay, so she’s also a writer, entrepreneur, and she has over 15 years’ experience treating eating disorders and negative body image. When I said we have a treat today, I completely mean it. Seriously, Kate is currently using her experience to create easily accessible resources and support for therapists on the frontline, loved ones supporting their loved ones with eating disorders, and individuals who themselves are struggling with an eating disorder and negative body image. Is this not right up our alley or what? Kate, we are so excited to have you here. [KATE]: Well, I’m glad to be here. Thank you. [MELISSA]: You know, and this is a topic that I think just holds so much like, you know, like a stigmatism to it. Am I saying that right? A negative stigmatism. [KATE]: Yeah. Just a stigma; I think a stigmatism is something that you go to the eye doctor about. [MELISSA]: I think that’s an eye… This is a stigmatism – like, as soon as it came out of my mouth I’m like, no that ain’t right. That ain’t right. [KATE]: But we knew what you meant. [MELISSA]: You knew what I meant. That’s just how we roll on this podcast though. So. [KATE]: Yeah, eating disorders still have a stigma to them. Absolutely. Like all mental health. For sure. [MELISSA]: Yeah. And this one, I think, when people talk about it, when people bring it up, it’s like, so taboo, or they’re like, oh, not me, or it’s always like, I know someone who knows someone who has it, you know. And it’s so common, it’s scary. That’s the thing is that this is something that I think – and correct me if I’m wrong – we all struggle with it. [KATE]: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it doesn’t have to be like eating disorder with capital E and a capital D, right? I like to say disordered eating. I think that… So, 30 million people in the United States, all ages, all genders, can meet criteria for that diagnosis of that capital E eating, capital D disorder. But there’s so many more men and women or women and men who really struggle with disordered eating, disordered eating behaviors and disordered eating thoughts and disordered thoughts about their bodies. [MELISSA]: Tell me more about that. What do you mean, disordered eating thoughts? What does that look like in someone? [KATE]: Well, let’s see. I’ll give a good example, one probably up your alley. So, exercise and health and wellness, right? That’s definitely a focus of a lot of people right now, and hopefully will continue. And I think sometimes when we think about exercising, we relate that to food. And so, one question I like to ask my clients is, are you eating to exercise or are you exercising to eat? And I think a lot of the time we end up really exercising to eat, so we’re always adding up those calories. Or it’s the other way around like a compensatory behavior like, oh, gosh, we went out last night. I had too many drinks. I got to hit that extra level in the gym tomorrow to make up for that. So, that’s a disordered eating thought. Or it’s just feeling bad. You have some birthday cake. It’s somebody’s birthday. You should eat cake. Don’t feel bad about this. This is a normal thing. [MELISSA]: Right. Right. That’s funny you bring up cake because it’s literally my kryptonite. [KATE]: It doesn’t have to be. Cake is… [MELISSA]: I love cake. All things cake, cupcakes, strawberry shortcake, all things cake. But it’s funny you bring that up because it’s something that when I go to a birthday party, or out somewhere, that’s one thing I fuckin take back to the table. I ain’t gonna lie. I’m like, oh, hell no, I’m not missing out on cake, and everyone comments. [KATE]: What? [MELISSA]: They’re like, what? Melissa eats cake? And I’m like… [KATE]: Okay, yeah, this is the shit that drives me crazy. Like, well, of course I’m eating cake. Why are we at this party? [MELISSA]: Exactly. I came for the cake. [KATE]: Cake is a sometimes food, right? [MELISSA]: Exactly. [KATE]: It might not be for you, and we can talk about that later, but cake is a sometimes food. We don’t eat cake at every meal every day. That would be an all-the-time food. An apple is an all-the-time food. I mean, this is how I talk about it with my kids. [MELISSA]: I love it. [KATE]: And here’s the thing with food – and I feel like often we go all or nothing with food, well, in a lot of ways, but it’s either good or it’s bad. And that’s not the truth. Food is so much more. I mean, let’s think about food. Yeah, of course it’s fuel, right? But it’s also a way we communicate with each other. It’s a way we remember our heritage and remember loved ones. It’s a way that we soothe people when they’re grieving. I mean, in some religions, food or fasting is a way we even talk to God. I mean, food is so complicated. And so, just saying it’s good or bad limits really what this vital piece of our life is. And when you think about – I’m getting back to the cake, of course – but when you think about it, you’re celebrating someone’s birthday in our culture. How do you do that? We make a cake of some sort. And we put some fire in it, and we sing a song and we eat it. And that’s good. It’s weird to go to a birthday party and not eat cake. You might as well say, I don’t even fucking care about you and your birthday. Fuck this cake. [MELISSA]: Put some fire in it. I love that, that made me laugh. But no, it’s completely true. And it makes me so sad and makes me want to have three pieces when people are like, you eat cake. And I’m like, yes, I eat cake because I love food and I love balance and I’ve never called it a sometimes food, I love that. I’m going to totally steal that. Use that with my kids, a sometimes food and an all-the-time food. [KATE]: Yeah. And I’ll tell you what, if you ate cake every day, it would no longer be your favorite food. [MELISSA]: Exactly. [KATE]: You gotta keep it special. [MELISSA]: Exactly. And the frosting is the best part. Are all these thoughts…? Do you see this is what triggers and leads into people having a full-blown eating disorder? Is this where we see it start? [KATE]: Yeah, sometimes. So, going back to this difference between eating disorder, versus disordered eating and thoughts. And eating disorder is multi-dimensional, bio-psycho-social, diagnosable mental health issue. And so, there’s a lot of factors that go into that. We know now that you can pass on certain elements of your DNA that are associated with having a higher likelihood of someday being diagnosed with anorexia, for example. But yeah, we can also, in addition, we don’t have to have those genes to have an eating disorder. It’s kind of like this perfect storm thing. We live in a society where we’re getting hammered with these messages all the time. Common age of onset is puberty and then again, from 18 to 24. Well, biologically, that’s when those biologic factors get triggered. And then of course, you have the psychologic issue, like if you’re just bullied all the time by the way you look, or your family only seems to love you because you look a certain way. We could spend all day talking about these psychological issues. But it’s the perfect storm. It’s usually a combination of all of those things. So, I guess that’s a long answer to say sometimes. [MELISSA]: Right. [KATE]: Sometimes, yeah. You kind of have to have it all lined up. But that’s not true for this disordered eating. That’s not true for how we… and I focus on women, but especially women are shaped through these messages to think about our bodies and think about food in a way that’s just toxic and not healthy and not fun. [MELISSA]: Yeah, and you said something before… I swear to God, the best conversations, you guys, is before you record a podcast, and then you have to, like, stop talking because this shit’s good. You said like, you know, at 40 or, shit, I think anything over 25 and you had said, like, why are we still talking about this? [KATE]: I’m turning 40 and a few months and it’s a big deal to me. And I know it shouldn’t be, but that’s why everything right now, and everybody is either 40… it’s like this mile marker in my life. So, anyway, yeah, you’re right. 25 or older. I mean, if you want to get serious, people in kindergarten are talking about this stuff, right? Like, some… I don’t have the statistics in front of me and I am not gonna rattle them off if they’re not accurate, but there is a disproportionate amount of second graders who are trying to limit their calorie intake so they can change the shape of their body, like, this is ridiculous. But yeah, it’s all women. [MELISSA]: Yeah, and it really does bother me. I feel bad saying it bothers me, but it does. It bothers me that we’re still talking about this, like, we haven’t grown enough by the time we’re 40 or 30 or, whoever’s listening to this, 50. I mean, my God, 60-year-old women. We haven’t grown enough or learned enough by that… and it’s so sad. [KATE]: And not just us, like, think about our moms and our grandmas and let’s talk about a century of progress. [MELISSA]: Oh, my God, yeah. [KATE]: Look at, we can do whatever we want now. And somehow we are standing around and we’re professional women who are not stuck in the kitchen or however it used to be, and yet we’re not talking about our lives and our, I don’t know, our successes or even our failures, right? We’re talking about our workout routines and what we ate or didn’t eat and why we don’t like our bodies and it’s… I don’t understand. It’s just not interesting. [MELISSA]: And I find myself struggling with having other girlfriends; I have a very small group. And I get along with men a lot better. [KATE]: Because they don’t talk about this stuff. [MELISSA]: They don’t talk about this stuff. No. [KATE]: This is so sad, but I go to a party like, I don’t want to talk to the women. I want to go talk to the men because they’re not talking about, you know, the way their bodies look – most of the time. [MELISSA]: Yeah. And you probably experienced this too, when you do get together with friends and your friends’ friends are there that you know, but they’re not like your close friends. But they’re friends. You know what I’m saying. [KATE]: Mm hmm. [MELISSA]: You probably get this too, where people are like, they act different around you or they’ll be like, oh, well, Melissa is only going to eat the broccoli. Did you bring your side of broccoli? [KATE]: Yeah, what is that? What is the purpose of that, do you think? Are they threatened by you? So, they’re trying to like, I don’t know, like, set you apart from…? I don’t get it. [MELISSA]: Yeah. And they try and hide what they eat, or if they do have a plate of food that’s like, the Nacho dip with the chips and all the good stuff that you know you came there to eat, they almost try and hide it or justify it to me. And I’m like, bitch, I don’t care what’s on your plate. I am off duty. I don’t care. I’m here as Melissa, as a friend and just another girl. And yet it’s always brought up. Do you experience that too with your profession and being around other women like that? [KATE]: Absolutely. Yeah. And I think you and I talked about this in our first phone call, is, my close friends know better at this point. They know what I’m going to say. But yeah, when I talk to new people, you know, I just like to call them out like, really? Cuz last time I checked you were a super successful, you know, fill in the blank, and I really don’t care about your workout routine right now. And I think people are shocked and I think I like that reaction sometimes, like, let me just drop this little bomb and see what happens. But hopefully it makes them think a little bit. And I also like saying, yeah, I’m a psychotherapist and I specialize in eating disorders. I love dropping that because I want to wait to see what’s your reaction, you know? So, it’s a guilty pleasure, I guess. [MELISSA]: Yeah. Oh, for sure, keep doing it. Drop those bombs. This is the Bomb Mom podcast; drop em. [KATE]: [Unclear] right up. [MELISSA]: Right? But I bring this up because the women listening, you guys, all of our listeners and stuff, pay attention to this conversation. I’m bringing it up with Kate because, are you the woman in the kitchen that’s supposed to be enjoying herself at a party and you’re sitting there hiding your food, or talking about your workout routine, or talking about how like, oh, I deserve this meal, like, pay attention to your words. Pay attention to your conversation, right? [KATE]: Yeah, absolutely. Because we want to be able to support each other, right? [MELISSA]: Yeah. [KATE]: And we could launch into a lot of stuff right now. So, I’m going to try and keep it close. But I think that for women, we’ve been fighting for our voice, and we’re fighting for our rights. And we’ve been fighting for our independence for, like I said, centuries. But yet, I do feel like there is sometimes this undercurrent of infighting. So, if we can challenge each other then that makes us weaker as a group. So, and I don’t want to, again, I don’t want to take too far of a left turn here, but I think that comparing our bodies with each other or workout routines, or who’s eating what diet and how many hours are you fasting, whatever. I think that that actually weakens us as a group because we’re not talking about the important stuff. We’re not talking about how we can support each other and continue to move forward, right? We’re talking instead about stuff that’s not interesting and not important in the long run. [MELISSA]: Right? And I run into that in my group a lot too, with the Bomb Mom group of, you know, if someone does share, like, oh, I burned this many calories at this workout, or like, whatever. And I’m like, okay, I don’t care. I want to know how sore you are, like, you know, are you seeing a change in muscle growth and stuff? And another female will see that and they’ll compare and they’ll be like, well I did the same workout and I didn’t get that, you know, and I’m like, oh, my God, the comparison has to stop. And it’s not allowed in here. [Unclear] person. I’m like, that’s not allowed in here. And we can’t compare; your body is nothing like Susan’s. [KATE]: Yeah, right. [MELISSA]: Nothing. And it does – it makes us weaker when we do that. You’re absolutely right. [KATE]: Yeah, yeah. I like to think about it as practicing gladness. And I have a good friend of mine who’s a yogi, and a very wise woman, taught me this concept of, I think our natural inclination is to compare, is to feel envy, right? Maybe even jealousy sometimes. But if we can practice gladness for other people, even if it doesn’t feel authentic at first – fake it till you make it – I think we end up a lot happier at the end of the day. So, instead of saying, hey, Susan, I didn’t feel that way, I’m clearly not as good at this as you are. Instead, being able to say, that’s awesome. Like, high five, way to go, you really pushed it, I think you’re really growing, and you must feel stronger. Just be glad for that person because their success, or their excitement, that has nothing to do with you. It’s just theirs. Yeah. [MELISSA]: Right. Why do you think that is so hard for women, to practice that just naturally? And when you see someone with a win or a success, to just be happy for them, to practice gladness. Why is that so hard? [KATE]: Yeah. I don’t know. We just take it personally, right? [MELISSA]: We do. Yeah. [KATE]: We mix up that… like, that has nothing to do with my value as a person. [MELISSA]: Mm hmm. Bingo. [KATE]: I’m sure that we learned that; it’s learned behavior, right? I’m sure it could probably be evolutionary too, but again, we’re gonna stay on track here. I think we watch older women, you know, the women that we’ve looked up to, do the same thing, and they probably learned it from their peers, or, I’m sorry, their – what are those called? Mentors? Yeah… stigmatism? So, I think that, you know, it’s learned. Yeah, I’ve gone off the rails. Um, and we can unlearn it too. We can unlearn this, and we can teach the next generation to be glad for others and to separate ourselves from other people and stop comparing. [MELISSA]: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Going back to, like, directly with food and eating and stuff, what are some things that the women listening right now can…? What are some pitfalls that we can – not pitfalls, but, like, pits, that we can avoid? Things that maybe they could catch themselves doing that you would say, be very careful when you do that with dealing with food. [KATE]: Yeah, yeah. And we can go back to where we started. We have a tendency to put food in two categories, the forbidden food and the good food. And when you catch yourself doing that, there’s no such thing. A healthy diet has three main components, and it’s not macros, and it’s not micros, and it’s not carbohydrates or not: it’s balance, moderation, and variety. So, that includes all foods. If I just ate clean, for example, I only ate organic meat and fruit and vegetables and lentils for the rest of my life, that’s not balanced, right? That is not varied either. I mean, you have to put cake in there too. [MELISSA]: Right. [KATE]: Or you’re not going to be happy. So, we have to stop doing the black and white, the all or nothing, the good and the bad. And remember that all of this is a continuum, right? Just eat it… These are sometimes foods. These are all-the-time foods. Yeah, go back to that. [MELISSA]: So, that’d probably be a good thing for people to just say to themselves, or maybe even write down and visually put a sticky note somewhere and just say like, is this balanced? Am I doing it in moderation? And is this variety? [KATE]: Yeah, right. [MELISSA]: If we stick to those three main goals, that should really help us stay on track and everything with thoughts, foods? [KATE]: Right, absolutely. Yeah, right, we could probably apply that to a lot of other areas. I mean, I think the other piece, and I think you kind of alluded to it, is this idea that we need to listen to our bodies. Because we’re not doing that. Just like we were talking about, we’re listening to other people talk about their bodies, or we’re listening to some advertisement that’s trying to create a need and sell us something. [MELISSA]: Right. Right. [KATE]: But instead, if we… and this is the example I give with, like, people that I’m working with, let’s say in session, who have some restrictive behavior. They’re not getting enough of what they need, and they may come in and say, like, oh, I just can’t stop binging. I get home at night, I’ve done so well, I haven’t eaten anything bad all day. And then I get home and all I want to do is eat cakes and cookies and white bread. And I think, okay, well, your body’s actually talking to you. It’s actually telling you that it needs fuel. It needs simple sugar and it needs it fast. And what’s a better way to get that than artificial, added sugar, piece of chocolate. So, then we’ll go backwards, then we’ll say, okay, what have you eaten today? Okay, well, look, you didn’t have any sugar, right? And your brain’s trying to tell you it needs fuel. So, listen to it. You don’t have to eat a chocolate bar to get it. Instead, let’s look for a complex carbohydrate, for example, or have a glass of orange juice and then reassess. [MELISSA]: Oh, that’s… I’m so glad you’re saying that of like, listen to your freakin body because it’s talking to you. [KATE]: Absolutely. And we don’t, we don’t trust it. We don’t trust our body. [MELISSA]: We don’t. Where do you think that came from, this distrust in our body? Because I see it a lot. Even physically too like, women think like, I can’t do 10 more squats. There’s no way. And I’m like, you can do it right now. And they do it and they’re like, oh my god, I didn’t think I could do it. Where do you think that started from, this doubt? [KATE]: Oh, boy. I could talk all day about this. [MELISSA]: Do it. [KATE]: It’s only a 30-minute podcast, right? So, I think we’ve gotten away from what we as women are designed to do. And obviously, our civilization has evolved way faster than our brains have. You know, our brains are still stuck on, wait, I have two jobs, I need to survive, and I need to reproduce. But we don’t live that way anymore. And great, I’m glad we don’t. But our brains haven’t totally caught up to that. Our brains don’t understand that we’re doing intermittent fasting and we haven’t eaten for the past whatever, eight hours, because we need to lose 10 pounds before my sister’s wedding. Your brain doesn’t get that; it thinks it’s famine. So, I think that because we started to betray our bodies, our brains, basic function, basic needs, we get away from this. I love this little anecdote so much and I’m gonna… I might have shared it with you, Melissa, before, but I want to share it on here because I love it. It’s like a little bomb I like to drop. So, on average, and this comes from Margo Maine who’s an amazing writer and therapist herself. This is not something I’ve researched on my own, but, so, women’s bodies, on average want to hold on to about 17% body fat, and I’m sure there’s some listeners who are like, what? No, I’m not doing 17% body fat. Right? But when we start getting below that, our bodies start fighting us a little bit more. And this is average; everybody’s bodies needs more or less. But on average. And so, it’s like, what is it about this number? And so, it turns out that about that much body fat is exactly the amount of body fat we as women would need to survive without food for guess how long? [MELISSA]: Two weeks? I’m throwing it out there. I’ve just thrown a number out. [KATE]: I’ll tell you the answer. It’s nine months, actually. And obviously, that’s not a coincidence. Right? Our bodies are designed to do two things; they are designed to survive and to reproduce. And so, our bodies are like, wait, what if there’s a famine? I need to hold on to this fat just in case I need it to get this baby out of me. And so, obviously… and again, thank God that’s not an issue. We’re blessed enough not to have to worry about that anymore. But regardless, I like to think about that because it’s a testament to how amazing our bodies truly are. And we’ve forgotten that. [MELISSA]: That’s so awesome; I’ve never heard that before. [KATE]: Yeah, men, guess how long they live without food on average? Three months. [MELISSA]: Oh, God. Really? [KATE]: Yeah, but we already knew that. We already knew that. They’re just… poor guys, they’re just the weaker sex. We don’t need as many of them. [MELISSA]: We don’t. [KATE]: Just a few. [MELISSA]: Just a few? [KATE]: Just to diversify the gene pool a little bit. [MELISSA]: Yeah, that’s hilarious. Nine months though, that’s interesting. And what a powerful concept though too, that like, your body’s not an idiot. It knows how much it needs to hold on to for procreation. [KATE]: Yep, it was designed to do it. All this other stuff we worry about on a daily basis, like, what are we wearing, and is it good enough, and do I look good in it? And bla bla bla bla bla, that stuff, that’s all fluff. We worry about that stuff because again, we have all this extra room now in our brains because we’re not worrying about what we’re going to eat or how we’re going to shelter if we’re going to survive. Now we fill it up with this other stuff, meaningless stuff. [MELISSA]: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. My mind is blown for a second. And my mind doesn’t get blown for a second, but I love it. I’m so glad you dropped that bomb. [KATE]: Yeah, I love that. [MELISSA]: Yeah, I want everyone listening to just like, take that in for a minute and just like, hug your uterus for a second and just be like, you’re amazing. I always use that too. I’m always like, you guys, you can do anything. You fucking grew another human being in your body. [KATE]: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking when you’re like, you can’t do 10 more squats. Really? How many kids do you have? Because that shit hurts. [MELISSA]: Right. Right. I had to just laugh because for those that don’t know, we have a sound guy on with [unclear]… [KATE]: Oh my gosh, is he still on? [MELISSA]: Mitchel is with us. My sound guy’s name is Mitchel, and I just have to laugh because he has to listen to all of this with us, he’s probably just going oh, my god, what am I listening to? But sorry, you’re the weaker sex, Mitchel. [KATE]: You are. You only can survive three months. Yeah, you can’t push a baby out. [MELISSA]: That’s it. Oh, I love it. So, just briefly going into kids because, Kate, I think we need to do a whole ‘nother episode and have you back, and I know people are going yes, yes, please. We all have children, listening to this, and we have to get ourselves right first. And I think the tip that you gave with looking at your food in a different way and asking yourself, balance, moderation, variety. That’s going to get us so far. Oh my God, our listeners are going to just take so much away from just that. [KATE]: Yeah, I hope so. [MELISSA]: But we all have kids. Let’s do another episode completely on kids, and young women and helping them grow up. [KATE]: Oh, absolutely. [MELISSA]: And just to leave everyone with a little teaser and stuff, what is something that may be… something easy, simple that we can implement right now with our daughters and sons. My God, it doesn’t just have to be daughters, but it’s something that we could just be aware of today, like, as soon as we’re done listening to this, and we could just start implementing in our home right away. [KATE]: Yeah, yeah. Well, and I… there’s a lot of those. [MELISSA]: Yeah, there’s a lot. Pick your favorite. [KATE]: But I am going to pick one that I think has to do, obviously, with what you do and that’s exercise. And so, exercise is a fundamental component to keeping our bodies healthy, but the way we talk about exercise around our kids is really important. And so, going back to the beginning, I think we need to focus on am I eating to exercise or am I exercising to eat? And you’re going to want to make sure that you’re modeling appropriate behavior. I can’t go do a 75-minute class, you know, kick class or… God, I hope it’s not 75 minutes, it sounds awful. [MELISSA]: That would be terrible. [KATE]: Right, without any fuel, right? So, I play tennis; I play competitive tennis, and I know better than to walk out on that court without food in my stomach and without food in my tennis bag, because I can’t play to the best of my ability if my body doesn’t have what it needs. So, that’s this idea that we’re eating to exercise. Also, I don’t like to use the word ‘exercise’ around my kids. They’re 9 and 11. Instead, I like to talk about how it’s important that we move our bodies. [MELISSA]: Yes. [KATE]: So, yeah, mommy’s going to play tennis or I’m going to go to this workout class, but it’s because every day I need to move my body, and this is how I’m choosing to do it today. And I think that’s a great way to start in your family is take out these words; take out exercise, take out hit class or, I gotta go run on the treadmill or… no, you know what, I gotta move my body today. I gotta take care of it. So, what form am I going to do that in? [MELISSA]: I love that. I always tell my kids that like, I’m a machine. Not only is that just like… I don’t know, it doesn’t sound very feminine, which is good. I don’t want them to look at like, let me go on my elliptical, you know and sweat a little bit. [KATE]: No, you want to be a badass, I get it. [MELISSA]: Yeah, I want to be a badass. I’m a machine, and I tell them what would happen to my machine if I didn’t use it? It would rust, it would sit there, it would get old really quick and the joints wouldn’t move right, you know? So, I’m always telling them like, we’re a machine. I love that you say the same things. Makes me feel like I’m doing something right? [KATE]: You are because you’re a Bomb Mom, you got this. [MELISSA]: I have to work my machine. I’m a machine. How am I going to make my machine stronger today? How am I going to oil my joints and everything? And exercise and lifting does that. [KATE]: And it looks different for everybody. You know, I can’t get on the treadmill. This COVID BS that’s happening right now is just like, I can’t. I can’t play tennis, and I’ve had to make friends again with the treadmill in my basement, and I hate it. [MELISSA]: I know. [KATE]: I hate it, it’s so boring. And some people love it. Some people love to run, my husband loves to run, it’s like, every day he laces up his shoes and he goes out there and he looks forward to it, and it sounds like a nightmare to me. So, the way we move our bodies is different for everybody because we’re not all the same in terms of being able bodied, for example, or having access to fancy exercise equipment. So, it’s gonna look different. When you’re moving your body looks different than mine. And that’s okay. [MELISSA]: And that’s okay. Yeah, everyone has to learn that that’s okay. And yeah, I feel you on the pain with that because everyone’s like, oh, running and they’re like, go run. I’m like, I hate running. I’m like, I will run from zombies. I will run for cake. [KATE]: From something and for something. [MELISSA]: Exactly. And that’s about it. And now it’s like, oh, I should run or walk outside. I’m like, I don’t like it. I’d rather kick a bag. I’d rather beat the crap out of a bag. And I post a lot of things on my Instagram story of me hitting a bag and that’s my cardio today, and a lot of people will message me back and they’ll be like, is that all the cardio you’re doing right now? [KATE]: Yeah, that’s it. Just be glad it’s not your face. [MELISSA]: Exactly. [KATE]: No, I’m kidding. That was so aggressive, I’m kidding. [MELISSA]: Very aggressive. But I’m just like, I just have to laugh at some of the messages and comments people leave me because I’m like, (A) have you ever hit a bag before? Know how hard that is? And (B) like you said, everything looks different on everyone. And I get so many more benefits of hitting a bag than I do running or getting on my elliptical. Okay, I’m so glad you were on here with us today. This is just absolutely perfect. [KATE]: Thanks for having me. [MELISSA]: Oh yes, we are definitely going to have to do a part two to this. You guys, keep an eye out for it, ear out and eyes out for it because you’re not going to want to miss it. I think we definitely need to dive into kids and stuff. But for now, focus on you, get you right. And I love the tip of just taking out certain words. So, that’s something easy we can implement today with our children. Absolutely love it. So, Kate, tell us, how can we find you? Where are you at on social media? So, everyone knows. [KATE]: Oh, boy. Well, right now I am at… I’m just getting the hang of the social media stuff. [MELISSA]: That’s okay. [KATE]: I’m not going to pretend that it’s gonna roll off my tongue here. So, my practice is called Northside Mental Health and so I guess my tags would be @Northside, and that’s one word. And then I’m just launching a new venture; it’s called Eating Recovery Academy and it’s designed to provide resources and support to other therapists out there trying to learn how to treat eating disorders, but also family members, loved ones, trying to get their minds wrapped around why does my loved one not want to eat today? I don’t understand that. And then to individuals, to people like us. And that’s at eatingrecoveryacademy.com as well. [MELISSA]: At eatingrecoveryacademy.com. Did I say it right? [KATE]: Yes, cos I think that your social media handle is different than your email, right? Or your website? [MELISSA]: Yes, yes. [KATE]: So, @eatingrecoveryacademy, and then eatingrecoveryacademy.com. [MELISSA]: Awesome. And don’t worry about it, because – everyone – you can find this in the show notes. So, if you’re driving and you’re like, oh my god, I didn’t write it down, it’s okay. It’s all in the show notes. People listen to these and make those show notes perfect. You’ll be able to get it. But no, that sounds like an amazing resource to use. So, you guys, search that out, find it. Oh, Kate, thank you for being on here again. [KATE]: Thanks for having me. [MELISSA]: This was a real treat. Yeah, and we have to do this again; definitely have to do this again, for sure. [KATE]: Okay, looking forward to it. Thank you. [MELISSA]: Yay. Thanks, guys, for tuning in. Keep your eyes and ears peeled for the next episode and have an awesome Bomb Mom day. Bye guys. If you’re ready to become a bomb mom, join my free course over at www.melissavogelfitness.com/course. This podcast is designed to provide accurate and authoritative information in regard to the subject matter covered. This is given with the understanding that neither the host, Practice of the Practice, or the guests are providing legal, mental health, nutritional, or other professional information. If you need a professional, you should find one.