[MELISSA]: When it comes to keeping your practice organized, you want software that not only is simple but the best. I recommend TherapyNotes. Their platform lets you manage notes, claims, scheduling and more. Plus, they offer amazing, unlimited phone and email support. So, when you have questions, they are there to help. To get two free months of TherapyNotes today, just use promo code JOE, J-O-E, when you sign up for a free trial at therapynotes.com. Hey, what’s up everyone? If you’re looking to be inspired, motivated, educated, and entertained, you have come to the right place. Welcome to the Bomb Mom podcast, the podcast where we explore your fitness, life mindsets, and actions that help you become unstoppable. You’re worth it and it’s time to finally make changes in your life that will last you the rest of your life. Hello everyone and welcome back to the Bomb Mom podcast. I am Melissa Vogel, your host, and today we have a special, very, very special guest, Sabrina Heartsong. Say hello, Sabrina. [SABRINA]: Hi, everybody. [MELISSA]: So, Sabrina – let me tell you a little bit about her you guys because we’re really lucky to have her on here, even if it’s just for a few minutes. Sabrina is a sought-after intuitive guide, teacher, and speaker with an extraordinary gift for facilitating personal growth. I told you, today is going to be a really big treat. She’s been applying her gifts and helping clients to fully realize themselves as powerful creative beings for the past decade, both privately and in public workshops and retreats all over the world. Sabrina has dedicated her life to empowering and assisting people to discover and live their potential, manifest their dreams, and find lasting fulfilment. You guys, this is really, really, really, really cool. Sabrina, tell us exactly what you do. Like, if you could sum it up in one sentence, what is it that you do? [SABRINA]: One sentence, wow. [MELISSA]: Yeah, one sentence. No pressure, just one sentence. [SABRINA]: I help people create a life they love. [MELISSA]: Yes. [SABRINA]: That would be the one sentence. You know, obviously that’s a process and there’s several layers and it depends on where you’re at, and where a person is at as far as you know, how they feel about themselves, what they believe is possible, and so on. So, there’s varying ways to address that. But ultimately, this is the net result of the work that we do, is being willing and being capable and believing in oneself and being able to create a life that we love. [MELISSA]: That is so awesome. Because we talk so much about that on this podcast, and in my group Busy to Bomb – Fit Mom, and I was never this aware of how much people struggle with truly loving themselves. And I don’t think it’s something that we’re taught as a child at all. [SABRINA]: No, in fact, my specialty’s early childhood conditioning. And so, in the work that we do, as an intuitive guide, I give people access to their subconscious mind. And so, in the work that we do, we really focus on the formative years between ages zero to six, when all human beings are in what’s called theta wave brain state. And theta wave brain state can be likened to a state of hypnosis. And during this time, there’s no filter present, there’s no identity present, identity is still being formed. I say, yes, I will allow this or no, I won’t accept that. And so we absorb the energy, the emotional tone, the messaging of our early childhood environment, whoever the caregivers were; it could be our biological parents; it could be other people that were in charge of raising us, but we absorb the energy of this environment as truth. There’s no objection to what’s happening. We just absorb it and we adapt based on our emotions, and how we perceive our best ability is to survive in this environment. And so people, during this phase, we start to develop beliefs about who we are, what we’re worth, you know, how the world works our relationship to the world, what’s possible for us, what’s not possible for us. And this is, you know, obviously, this is a… because we’re in theta wave brain state, this is an unconscious process. And so, our beliefs are stored unconsciously, and they start to drive our pattern of behavior in life. We go throughout the rest of our lives playing out the dynamics of early childhood and manifesting these beliefs, the evidence of these beliefs, in different areas of our lives, mainly in the relationship we have with ourselves. [MELISSA]: And it sticks with us, like from zero to six, during that time, it sticks with us even into adulthood. [SABRINA]: Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, there are things that happen after that phase as well, you know, traumatic events and so on. But by that time, by the time we’ve moved through theta wave brain state, our emotional configuration is pretty much already set; what we’re predisposed to, what we believe about ourselves. The way we feel about ourselves, unconsciously, is pretty much determined, and it creates, like an emotional setpoint just like in the fitness world, you have a physical setpoint like, there’s something that your body will necessarily revert back to if you’re not paying attention or being conscious about what you’re eating or what you’re doing. You have a physical setpoint. And it’s the same with our overall energetic frequency, which is based on how we feel about ourselves. We have a set point, that we’re, sort of, I want to say conditioned, in childhood, and if we don’t work to elevate that by improving our belief system, by improving our inner dialogue, by shifting the way we feel about ourselves, by actively incorporating self-awareness, you know, self-love, all the things that are important to improve on one’s mindset, then we can actually change that setpoint. And have it become a more positive one or one that’s more in alignment with the kind of life we want to have. [MELISSA]: So, let me ask you this because you brought manifestation up in that. If we were told during that time, and we were led to believe, like, I don’t know, I’ll just throw an example out there, like, you’re so slow. Like, oh, my God, you’re so slow, you’re so slow. And this child is always told this from like four to six, you know, you’re just so slow, you’re always behind. Are you saying then that they manifest that into the rest of their life? And… [SABRINA]: Yeah, well the child would internalize that, right? And they would start to believe that about themselves and they would start to form an identity of who they are around that message. And so, they would form an identity around it, and as they learn to identify with that belief, that belief also has… I call it an imprint. An emotional imprint in the work that I do is referred to as a belief that has a concurrent energy associated with that belief, right? So, if I’m hearing, I’m slow, and there’s a felt experience around that, that doesn’t feel good, right? Even as a child that feels like something; it can feel like shame, or it can feel like fear, whatever is being provoked in that moment when they’re being told that message. [MELISSA]: Yeah, yeah. [SABRINA]: So, when I experience shame it would trigger the belief, and when it triggers the belief, I experience shame, and then they feed into each other, and it becomes a pattern. Before I know it, it becomes a pattern of belief and it becomes a pattern of behavior. And now my subconscious is programmed with that. And now I see the evidence of this belief in all areas of my life. [MELISSA]: And then you’re forever slow. [SABRINA]: Well, it’s not that I have to be. I don’t have to be. [MELISSA]: Right. Right. [SABRINA]: I’m co-creating the evidence that I’m slow because there is a fundamental belief that is not only programmed in my conscious memory, it’s also programmed in my cellular memory. My unconscious mind believes that I’m slow and therefore I see the evidence of it. This is why it’s very difficult to change people’s mindsets, because there’s so much concrete evidence, accumulated over the years, that what we believe is true. [MELISSA]: Wow. [SABRINA]: There’s so much concrete evidence built up around that, like I’m not capable, or there isn’t enough money, or good things get taken away, or I’m unlovable, or I’m not attractive, or… Whatever the belief is, we develop all of this concrete evidence over the years and it’s very difficult to shake that. Ultimately when we’re looking at changing mindset or shifting mindset, which is a more empowering word, we have to be willing to believe something we don’t have the evidence of yet in order to create the evidence of it. And this is the key to manifestation, yes, go on. [MELISSA]: Yeah, yeah, yeah that… no that’s what I was gonna ask you; that kind of sounds like it’s leading into the manifestation, like… How can you explain manifestation to us, like for dummies? Give us manifestation for dummies. Like, what’s one way… cuz I know there’s a lot of people listening right now too that are like, I don’t fully believe in manifestation, like, I’m not sure I’m buying what she’s selling. What’s something that we could say to them like, no, this is a very basic way to look at it and how powerful it is? [SABRINA]: Yeah, I mean, a very basic way to look at it is what we hold in mind tends to manifest. Now we have to understand that we have a conscious mind and a subconscious mind. In the work that I do, I’m an advocate for the fact that 5% of our creative life is manifested by the conscious mind. So, it’s only responsible for 5% of what we’re creating, what we’re capable of. 5% of our potential is being driven by the conscious mind. 95% of everything we’re manifesting is driven by the subconscious. So, if you take that basic principle, what we hold in mind tends to manifest, then it becomes of utmost importance to understand what we are holding in our subconscious mind. [MELISSA]: Wow. [SABRINA]: That’s the work, right? Because you can do affirmations, conscious affirmations, you can do positive beliefs and say positive things to yourself or read positive books or do a lot of that. There’s a lot of personal development out there that addresses the conscious mind, right? That creates a lot of conscious understanding and awareness and all that’s wonderful. But in my humble experience, until we do the work and really dig deep into our subconscious programming and understanding what we are holding in mind, you know, at that level, then that’s where the power is. That’s where the real shift happens. And when you bring the subconscious mind into alignment with your conscious desires, let’s say there’s a conscious desire to create, you know, I don’t know, loving partnership. I always use that because everybody wants that and it’s an easy example. There’s a conscious desire to create loving partnership, but there’s a subconscious belief that I’m unlovable, or I’m unworthy of love, or I’m a burden, or there’s nobody out there for me. And so I would learn that belief in early childhood, because perhaps one or both of my parents wasn’t fully present for me or wasn’t fully emotionally available to me, or maybe I heard that directly in my early childhood environment. [MELISSA]: Yeah. [SABRINA]: And so I internalized that belief and I start to manifest the evidence of that belief; without even realizing it, I’m naturally drawn to people that are emotionally unavailable to me, or people that are not necessarily giving me the love that I want, not because of the person, but simply so I can have the experience of feeling what it felt like as a child because that’s my normal, right? That’s the set point that I was referring to earlier. And so, the key to manifestation is to change your setpoint, is to change what feels normal. Right? And we do that by programming the subconscious. So if we go back to my definition, which is, what we hold in mind tends to manifest, if we do the work to really program what’s happening for us on a subconscious level, to program it with whatever it is we want to create, whether it’s a desire to reach more people with our message, you know, with our business, or to have access to greater abundance, or to live a more fulfilled life. Whatever the intention is that I want to manifest, I have to believe that with my whole mind, conscious mind and the subconscious mind, yes. [MELISSA]: What’s something that we can start doing to just tap into that? Is there any easy steps that we could do to just…? Obviously, we need to do a lot of work, especially with someone like you, but… [SABRINA]: Well, I don’t want to discourage people into thinking that, wow, manifesting is really hard. You know, like, I have to like, dip into my subconscious and do all that work, and climb that mountain before I can have what I want. I want to take the opportunity to also really qualify that the way that I teach manifestation may not be necessarily the way other people are teaching it or what’s available in mainstream. For me, manifestation is about the amplification of that which is already whole, perfect, and complete within me. So, a lot of people approach manifesting like, I want something that I don’t have. Like I want more money because I don’t have money, or I want better health because I’m currently not healthy, or I want a partner because I currently don’t have one. Make sense? You see how these statements are contradicting each other, right? And so, if I, in the work that we do, if we learn to cultivate the presence and the awareness and the direct experience of oneself as the source of that which you desire. So I can tap into myself as the source of love, the love that I’m seeking in partnership, or I can tap into myself as the source of perfect health, that which I’m seeking to manifest in my body. And I can tap into myself as the source of financial abundance and what that feels like, to be abundant. To have infinite resources. If I can tap into what that feels like inside of me already, to have that, to be that, then all I’m doing is amplifying that which is whole, perfect, and complete within me. Make sense? So I’m tapping into something that’s already within me; everybody has an existing frame of reference for love, even if it’s a small basic frame of reference, you know, whether it’s the love you experience with your pets, or a loved one, or something, we have an existing frame of reference. And so, we already know what that feels like. So, if I cultivate that feeling, and I learn to grow that feeling, I learn to expand upon that feeling, then I start to see the evidence of that in my life. And in my practice, we use affirmations and intentions, first of all to reach the subconscious, so to penetrate the subconscious with positive messaging, and to start to expand upon the emotions that those messages create. Because at the end of the day, it’s the emotions that do the manifesting. [MELISSA]: Okay. Okay, so, what are some…? You had mentioned before about, you have to be willing. You have to be willing first. Is that something that we can use within our affirmations and intentions? You know? [SABRINA]: Absolutely. Absolutely. Look, here’s the thing – if you come to this work and you’re brand new and you want to create better results in your life, and there’s some unaddressed pain from early childhood, my first recommendation would be to address the pain from early childhood. And, you know, some of us are aware that it’s there, some of us are not aware that it’s there. The way to determine whether or not there’s pain still lingering from early childhood is to look at what you’re manifesting, look at the evidence of your life today. If there’s broken relationships or… [MELISSA]: That’s hard. That’s hard, Sabrina. [SABRINA]: Right. Well, I mean, it can be hard to face, I understand it can be hard to face. But this gives you easy access in saying, okay, well there’s something going on with me, subconsciously, to create these kind of results. And this puts us in the position of personal responsibility; now I can take personal responsibility for the quality of my life, right? Because, when we realize, and hopefully this is an aha moment for a lot of people that are listening, when you realize that you are the co-creator of your reality, that everything in your life is a manifestation of what you’re holding in mind consciously and subconsciously. Then that puts you in the driver’s seat. [MELISSA]: Right. Which is probably a scary thing for some people, right? [SABRINA]: Yes, I would imagine so. But, it’s much more empowering for me to know that I can change my stars, you know, and I can change my destiny, and I can remap how my life is going to unfold based on how I feel about myself, based on how I talk to myself, based on what I believe about myself, versus feeling like this is my lot in life, and I’m stuck with this, and this is as good as it gets. And so, now we’re not victims of what’s happening around us or to us; we are co-creators. And as a co-creator, that you have the power to create a life you love. And this is what it comes down to is, you asked me about willingness; a person has to be willing to take a good look at where they’re at, and accept what it is that may be an area of life or an area inside their relationship with themselves that they would like to heal, and come to terms with that. It takes a little humility sometimes to realize, okay, well, I’m responsible for co-creating these failed relationships, or I’m responsible for co-creating the financial mess that I’m in, or I’m responsible for co-creating whatever it is. My mental health. So, being willing to look at that, fully look at that, and then say, okay, what do I want to create from here? And so, we start to work on the belief system. What am I worthy of? Everyone is worthy of love. Everyone is worthy of perfect health; everyone is worthy of feeling financially supported and safe and secure in the world. We’re all worthy of those things. We just don’t necessarily know that we are or believe that we are based on what we were told. And so, when we start to create affirmations and intentions, it’s important to start where we are, so, if for example, I’m someone who has a history of bad relationships, I don’t go from that belief about being unlovable to all of a sudden, I’m in a happy, conscious, loving, juicy, amazing relationship with the love of my life. Like that’s a big job. [MELISSA]: Yeah, too much. Too far. [SABRINA]: And that’s a good goal, but it’s a big jump. The subconscious will likely reject that statement because it’s just not accessible. So, for people that are just starting, they’re addressing childhood wounds and looking at certain areas of their lives and looking at what’s happening for them on a subconscious level, it’s important to start with willingness. Even just saying this statement, I’m willing to believe I’m lovable. I’m willing to believe I’m someone that can be loved. Already, there’s more energy in that, and there’s more positivity in that. And it’s accessible, I can reach that. In your line of work, Melissa, let’s say someone comes to you, and they’ve been eating habits and they have a history of body dysmorphia, and they don’t have a good relationship to their physical health. And so, to go, as you say, Busy to Bomb, like to have that goal as being now I’m going to be a bombshell can be a bit of a jump, right? And I’m sure you encounter this in your work. And so, if you start with the belief that I’m someone that can be in shape, it’s possible. I’m willing to believe I can be in good health. That’s an easy, accessible, achievable goal to set someone up with the right mindset, and then they can start to build from there. Because what the willingness does is it creates an opening, and once that opening is created, evidence starts to trickle in. And when the evidence starts to trickle in, now we have a believer. Now you’re converted for life. Now this stuff really works, right? [MELISSA]: Right. [SABRINA]: And so now I’ve created momentum and excitement and I can drop the word willingness, because word affirmations are like training wheels, right? You drop the word willingness and move into, I am in amazing shape. I’m in the best shape of my life, or I’m in perfect health, or I’m in this amazing, loving, conscious partnership with the love of my life. Now it’s real because I’m calling it in as real because I believe that this works. And I believe in my body that I can access this reality because I’ve already started to accumulate some evidence to tell me that that is possible. Does that make sense? [MELISSA]: It does. And it helps so much too, even in the fitness world and everything, of baby steps and realizing that this is a journey and I think that’s one of the biggest things too, why people fail, of like the 6 week programs or the 12 week programs, and they just want to do it fast, fast, fast. And they’re like, do it, do it, do it. They don’t do any internal work. And all of this that you’re saying will help with that journey even more, you know, and like you said, if you’re willing first, your subconscious isn’t gonna reject that. Oh my god, I love that takeaway from that. Absolutely love that. Everyone grab their pen and paper because I know she’s gonna say this fast. What are two affirmations that come to you? Like, don’t even think about it, Sabrina, like don’t even think about it. Just spit it out. What are two affirmations that someone could start using with their health and their fitness? Like, what’s the first thing that comes to your mind? [SABRINA]: Well, the first thing that comes to mind is one that I just shared, which is, ‘I’m willing to believe I can be in amazing shape’. [MELISSA]: Yes. Okay. [SABRINA]: So, ‘I’m willing to believe I can achieve amazing results with my body’, or ‘I’m willing to believe I can be in perfect health’, or ‘I’m willing to believe I can be in the best shape of my life’. So, those types of willing affirmations are good first steps for people that are just starting, Again, it depends on where they are in their journey. If someone is a little more advanced in their physical fitness goals you can say, ‘I am in the best shape of my life’, or ‘I see myself in perfect health and feel amazing in my body’, you know. ‘I am in perfect health and I feel amazing in my body’. I like that one. I like, ‘I’m in perfect health and I feel amazing in my body’ because it addresses many different things, not just the superficial which is the external, which has value. That has merit, when we see results, we get excited, right? But we also want to address ‘I’m in perfect health’, like, optimal health, eating well and feeling emotionally well-adjusted with my relationship to food and feeling good about myself and positive self-esteem, and expanded self-awareness and self-love and acceptance of oneself and peace. My other… my signature affirmation, which I give to everybody is, ‘I’m at peace with myself’. And so, imagine how powerful that would be if we could be at peace with ourselves in our bodies. ‘I’m at peace with myself and the shape that I’m in’. [MELISSA]: Yes, and I love that you said, ‘my body’, like I feel amazing in my body and loving like… not someone else’s, not comparing you to someone else and want to have their body and love their body. You have your own body and you feel amazing in that body. [SABRINA]: I think it’s important too, to address that… and I see this in my work all the time; in order to create a shift in something, a real sustainable change, it needs to come from a place of non-resistance, and I see people trying to power through their limiting belief system all the time only to end up with the same results. You know, and I’m sure in your world you see the same evidence; people sign up for gyms and they sign up for programs and then they fall off the wagon or they can’t maintain because the subconscious mind is pulling them back to what feels normal, right? [MELISSA]: Yeah, yes. [SABRINA]: You’re not lovable. You’re not capable. You can’t do this. And so, unaware of themselves, unaware of what’s happening on a subconscious level, we might say, well, maybe I’m just lazy or I’m a failure, I can’t do it. And so, it’s really important to address that when we’re manifesting, when we’re creating, perfect health or the perfect vision for what we want to accomplish, that we start to practice acceptance in this moment. Like, I love and accept myself exactly as I am, is huge for someone who is having trouble loving their body the way that it is. But if you can start to love your body the way that it is, whether it’s overweight, or tired, or saggy, or postpartum, or whatever state it might be in, if you can start to love and accept yourself exactly as you are, then what happens energetically is the love you feel for yourself starts to express itself physically. You start to feel it emotionally, the dialogue starts to become real. The non-resistance allows for more and more love. And then as we start to practice that self-acceptance and that non-resistance to what is, the current state that I’m in, it becomes easier to shift, and more effortless for your body to now physically express the love that it feels. And so, you start to see your body shrink, you start to see your body tighten or tone in support of your goals. Because it really takes the ability to love and accept yourself exactly as you are, people can practice that, that becomes sustainable throughout whatever fitness goal they may want to set for themselves. [MELISSA]: Right, right. Oh my God, this was so helpful. How can people learn more about you? Where can we find you at? How can they work with you? [SABRINA]: Well, you can find me on my website, I’m sabrinaheartsong.com. [MELISSA]: And social media, is it the same thing? [SABRINA]: Yeah, it’s @sabrinaheartsong on Instagram and Sabrina Heartsong on Facebook. There is lots of information, lots of resources available on my website, and I do a free 30-minute consultation. So if anyone is moved to explore the inner workings of their subconscious, or they want to understand a little bit about how that works for them personally, that 30-minute call is really about giving you an energetic reading and understanding exactly where that’s at and what kind of results we can accomplish together. [MELISSA]: And everyone can sign up for that on your website, we can go to your website and find your free 30-minute…? [SABRINA]: Yeah. Absolutely. [MELISSA]: Oh my god, I can’t believe you do that for free. That is incredible. And then you said briefly, you have a free course too, as well, that people can find? [SABRINA]: No, the consultation is free, the free 30-minute consultation, initial consultation. [MELISSA]: Gotcha. [SABRINA]: I do three different programs that people can enroll in. A level one, a level two, a level three, and then there’s some free resources on my website. There’s a meditation you can download, there’s tons of affirmation cards if you like affirmations, there is not a shortage of that on my website. Yeah, and there’s good information there, good resources as well. [MELISSA]: Perfect. That’s exactly what we need to know. Oh my gosh, thank you so much for coming on. I hope you come back because we can do a part two. We didn’t even get to talk about meditation and all of that, and I know everyone’s gonna want you back. So, we’re gonna have to do this again. [SABRINA]: Yeah, I’d love to be back. I’d love to be back. I really appreciate the invitation; I’m honored to be here. And I hope that this message reaches your people and the people that you empower on a daily basis. And I hope that they find value. [MELISSA]: Oh, thank you. Me too. All right, you guys. Check out Sabrina Heartsong, sabrinaheartsong.com, you can find her on Instagram, Facebook, Sabrina Heartsong. Oh, thank you again for being on here. Until next time, you guys, manifest, manifest, manifest. And search out Sabrina to help do that. All right, thank you so much. [SABRINA]: Alright. Bye bye. [MELISSA]: If you’re ready to become a bomb mom, join my free course over at www.melissavogelfitness.com/course. This podcast is designed to provide accurate and authoritative information in regard to the subject matter covered. This is given with the understanding that neither the host, Practice of the Practice, or the guests are providing legal, mental health, nutritional, or other professional information. 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